Concerning the Paulianists who have flown for refuge to the Catholic Church, it has been decreed that they must by all means be rebaptized, Why would they have this particular heretical sect included for rebaptism? A literal mention on the Arians shows why the Canons did accept their conversion without rebaptism, this time from Pope Saint Innocent I (+417 a.D.): As for the Arians and other similar plagues, the fact that we adopt their lay people, when they turn to the Lord, under the symbol of penitence and sanctification of the Holy Ghost, through the imposition of the hand does not indicate that their clergy ought to be adopted with the dignity of the priesthood or of any ministerial rank. And there would be more Japanese in the Kingdom of God. I dont feel the differences are so vast that it will harm my children the nearest catholic church is 7 minutes away. However, for the separation to remain today is clearly a scandal to those currently in authority who continue it. . I encourage you to do your own research. But each and every of the Church Fathers Schaff presents for each of those 4 views, have also written about the Eucharist as a true presence of body and blood. I began to read about the early Christians, and then look at modern denominations. And we believe that God will give us our churches back some day.. The Eastern Church lives comfortably with theological paradoxes and puzzles, whereas the Catholic Church tends to parse every theological nuance. They are filthy liars seems a bit much because one priest lacks academic knowledge (I read the article too and thought it was poorly done all round, but that is irrelevant). Some elements of his rule were different, but many Orthodox saints such as Paisius Velichkovsky modified monastic life as well. Near his death St. Ignatius saw the problems the schism was causing and recognized Photius as the legitimate patriarch out of charity. This term is Latin for "and the Son," and it refers to the clause in the Nicene Creed that says the Holy Spirit proceeds "from the Father and the Son." "And the Son" isn't in the original Greek version of the Creed. May God illumine you that you see the depths of error in which you now dwell and return to the Ark of salvation in repentance you have in your blindness and ignorance forsaken. The argument here is not easy, but the custom has so obtained. (Letter 199, Canon XXI). The point that someone changed their life is moot. Jesus is the messiah. He focused on fasting, prayer, and spiritual ministry. A 2002 short paper G.K. Chesterton: The Theology of Philip Yancey's Favorite Writer from the Journal of the GRACE Evangelical Society surveying Chesterton's theology and in particular Chesterton's view of Protestant soteriology (and the dearth of references in his voluminous writings about saving faith) which may have contributed to his conversion to Rome. I found this very toxic and I am glad I came back to the Catholic Church. Why would the devil call us to pray the rosary every day and remind us about hell in a time when many people forget about it? The different comments here and differing views remind me of St Pauls exhortation to work out your salvation with fear and trembling. You talk about his Rule as if that is at all relevant more confusingly: you mention his Rule as if its related to his prelest, which it is not. Pope Gregory condemned this intention, and wrote to John the Faster telling him that he had no right to claim to be universal bishop or sole bishop in his Patriarchate. I love all this about Orthodoxy, yet I became Catholic. A good discussion on this issue to listen to is this interview with Dr. Jared Goff. The original Christian church is the Catholic church. I visited a second time and paid my 300 yen and stood on the outside, watching everyone on the inside worshipping God. A subreddit dedicated to discussion of Eastern Orthodox Christianity. That is sad because this tells me they are like horses with those things on the sides of the eyes so they cant look elsewhere. I remember a Jewish convert saying that friends can overlook it if you become an atheist, but not if you become a Christian. Now some of the argument between Orthodoxy and Catholicism here gets into the weeds of exactly what kind of authority the Pope was supposed to have. For instance Metropolitan Kallistos Ware points out that the ROC and ROCOR hold to different practices regarding the reception of Catholics, baptism versus chrismation. You might say that the prayer is heretical. The West kept the ancient practice, but this meant that chrismation was delayed. That trace their crawling cosmos like a tree, So we can find traditional liturgy from within the Catholic pasture. Anyone who makes this argument however is a heretic by Orthodox standards. We are under a time of difficulty and ambiguity to be sure. In this prayer, the main element is precisely to ask for mercy! This entire section is nonsense. I wonder why you even pretend to be byzantine when in reality you are not byzantine. Regardless of how similar the Orthodox faith is, or how valid their sacraments are, leaving Catholicism for Orthodoxy has grave consequences and is not the path to heaven! So if you are so stubborn to want to belong to any part of Christianity outside the Orthodox faith, its your choice, but remember its heresy under God. Does this mean that those two religions are true? Laymen cannot administer mysteries. No demon would ever bring humans to Christ! So, why did Jason Stellman make no mention of Orthodoxy? This view too was a product of the heretical insanity of the Pelagians: this refers to their saying that newly begotten infants are not baptized for the remission of sins, as the Orthodox Church believes and maintains, but, instead the infants themselves have not incurred any taint from the original sin of Adam. He is always the first in all the lists of the apostles (Judas is always last). Here, I answer that questi. In my immediate family, my daughter, Annesley, went first (while attending a Protestant college), and then my wife, Kimberly, who teaches alongside me at the same university. Leo XIII wrote an encyclical against the Latinization of Eastern Catholics. THE POPE GAVE THE CHURCH ITS TEACHINGS AND IF YOU DONT FOLLOW IT THEN YOU ARE NOT CATHOLIC, STOP WORRYING WHAT OTHERS BELIEVE AND SEE HOW CORRUPTED THE CATHOLIC CHURCH BECAME, SINCE THE SHISM OF THE CHURCHES, CHANGING THE DOCUMENTS OF HOW THE APOSTLES HANDED IT DOWN TO, THE CATHOLIC CHURCH BECAME THE LAUGHING STOCK AND HAS HURT ITS OWN PEOPLE. And I think this lack of universality in the Orthodox church leads to a reluctance to interact and dialogue with others. The Eastern Orthodox Church, also called the Orthodox Church and officially the Orthodox Catholic Church, is the second-largest Christian church, with approximately 220 million baptized members. In conclusion, you never came to actually know and live orthodoxy, which is very sad.. The general criticism of Protestants that Catholics had too little respect for the Bible rather than tradition struck him as paradoxical. Of course Orthodox can acknowledge the personal holiness of certain RCC saints, and of course Roman Catholics do not allow veneration of post-schism Eastern saints you will never see an RCC parish dedicated to St Gregory Palamas; you dont even refer to him as a saint in your article. Like the Protestants they have now departed from the ancient teaching and practice. So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth [struggleth], but of God that showeth mercy (Rom. Absolutely no one says the Roman Catholics are spiritually equivalent to pagans not a soul. www.quora.com the long road of this pilgrimage, I become filled with deep emotion. People simply accept whatever the apparition said no challenging it to recite the Creed, no asking it to pray for mercy nothing. One could argue that it is hypocritical to point out, as many places have overlapping Latin and Eastern Catholic bishops. If they did see a vision, they would do their cross and the Vision would dissappear most of the time. Nevertheless, all of these references make far more sense within an Orthodox understanding of the papacy than the Roman Catholic one especially the quote by St Cyprian, which explains the concept in some detail and explains the proper relation between the primacy given to Peter and the relative authority given to the other apostles. These constant schisms are usually over minor territorial disputes, but effect hundreds of millions of lay people. The Orthodox Question: Why Catholic and Not Eastern Orthodox? If Fatima was a mass hallucination, so could the resurrection of Jesus have been. IOW, if Orthodoxy has FAILED (and this is not really debatable) to make disciples of all nations (being largely confined to the boundaries of a few countries such as those named above), then doesnt this suggest that Orthodoxy is disqualified as the one true Church because it has NOT done what Jesus commanded the Church to do? But along the spectrum from low-church Protestant, to Anglican, Catholic, and Orthodox, I experience Orthodox worship as most foreign, as strangest and most difficult. And he said he. As for the rest of this inaccurate and judgmental rubbish, it hardly merits a response. The grace and the form cannot be received at different times. Some Orthodox theologians went so far as to say that St. Thomas understanding of divine simplicity is responsible for atheism. The papacy also allows the calling of councils as there is a clear status to councils. . I find him interesting and follow him on utube. Additionally, this is essentially a denial of the theory of reception of oikonomia. Thanks. Has the Anglo-Catholic understanding of suicide changed in the 20th-21st century enough to render Chesterton's comparison with martyrdom irrelevant? NO WAY BABY!!!! It is true that other apostles, John, James, and Paul, are also called coryphaei and primates, but Peter alone is the Rock of the Church. Please show some charity, love and humilty in your words!!! His people Im sure discriminate against him take his money or destroy him but he chose the harder life but is in peace living in a monestary so he doesnt need earthly things. If he desert the chair of Peter upon whom the Church was built, can he still be confident that he is in the Church? (The Unity of the Catholic Church 4 [A.D. 251]). Since St. Francis wrote a new rule of life for his friars, he must have not been truly rooted with the patristic tradition and he was actually just prideful.